Interview with Yarinés
Automatic translation (English) from the automatic transcript (Castellano)
ready we are already I feel that with this sun I am on the beach but it is not like that I am in berlin now since how are you
hello yemen is fine a little sick but despite being sick to hear recently luckily after a week of antibiotics I'm going to choose
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welcome and welcome and welcome
the shell congress
we read it of course like that just like we just finished it from the laughter of the shell in argentina it is vagina yes of course the shell of your congress the shell of the congress is very interesting for us as a new experience we should have there is truth we should have more respect for things generally, my opinion is not respected much, it is also generated, it is also honored, we have to, well, but the rest of the land with branches, I do not have a branch, the shell
if you can't say who you are and what you do within your transient moment who am i good my name is rené suárez i am an actional visual artist
from Maracaibo I also consider myself a mestizo person, a neo-mestizo person who is kind of rediscovering his or her ancestry, let's say I'm trying to colonize myself, which is quite difficult, but I'm trying, I'm a cook, I'm the mother of a puppy
I am what things I am a migrant I am also a lesbian
I consider that my identity is not a woman, but it is the category where she still acts as and protects
so ok i consider myself a diverse identity
which is also with that transition
I want to mention maracaibo venezuela for the people who see us nezuela of geography i live in buenos aires argentina there is only one 9 acaray let's see if they already but they saw it we can't assume that everyone knows the world ok questioning that hardly anyone knows the world but no and what happened there are people who cannot understand a term as simple as the north of south america how do they make cuts to avoid entering its spatial dimension of the world we have to clarify where it was left I fall for this case we know a city that borders colombia and that it always had a lot of good, that is, it was the producer of most of the Venezuelan economy, this because it is a place where they historically get a lot of oil from altercations and well, it is very hot, it is always on the move, it is very aggressive, it is very violent, that is my the first the first city in venezuela where there was a cinema it is the first city on land where there was a cinema
at the forefront a very avant-garde city is a production
of quite important literature at the time of investment modernity as very avant-garde and very surreal it also went back in time
tell us about your artistic practice
I have to make myself whole to say that I was confronting myself in recent months with what people call their artistic practice I don't know what to call it I would call it the things that you do the things that I do exist here in my artistic practices
and over time I have had a conflict with calling them even conceiving them as artistic practices because although I was trained at the university level also in Maracaibo in my city over time I was leaving things that were academic or what which was considered art so I started working with performance I was doing food events inviting people to eat as an artistic practice and began to generate cultural management events as an artistic practice and well, I mean, at some point I have questioned whether that is really it has been or can be conceived as real for people as an artistic practice but I decide to take it as practicing from home yes it is I can tell you that I am a performer who works with the culinary as an aesthetic experience I work with relational art which is a concept that basically generate an artistic or cultural gesture to make sure people meet and share and coexist and with this and exchange this I int You are very fond of cultural exchange and diversity in that exchange and they are like the axes of my artistic practices, I work with people's identities
from a perspective as each time tried to open it more
And well, like in recent years or in recent months in particular, I am very interested in this, the issue of racism, the issue of colonization, how to think about rethinking, rethinking and questioning ourselves, then, creating identities, enabling new places of being, of existing, and also well that obviously affects my artistic work and specifically because he considered that as an artist it is like I am interested in doing more processes open than concrete works and enable people to participate in these processes
It is very interesting that you mention that you are in a process of colonization. It seems to me that the majority of Latin Americans have indigenous origins.
we're going to have a lot of people in this bag but
I would wonder and also what makes us wonder who defines what art is and who says
or dictates as the representation or the result of that
It certainly has a lot to do with colonization and the fact that you don't see how to go through
of the kitchen and connecting people as an artistic practice this comes from there you know that of course over time I have been becoming more aware that my practices are directed towards destructuring, getting out of the margins, getting out of the institutions and that I have tried very organically, only now I have a little more awareness and to legitimize other practices that are sort of marginalized and to really make these things my artistic expression, for example, what kind of practices are
if it dares what is not considered as an expression type if he did not paint a work and I exhibit it in a museum it is like I am not artistic enough
although well art is always trying to steal everything that is like on the edges for how to do it kind of launching it as some new proposals but clearly what it is fighting towards I know everything that is on the outside guy but we see how banks are monetizing yy well expressions more of the street type or for example also as in the last two years we see how institutions and also private companies are appropriating social initiatives of social struggles
for as well as to make them type, that is, supposedly to support them, but really it is like it is something very superficial, that is, it is an appropriation of these things, but well, this, that is, in particular, I say the fact that cooking and that the kitchen looks something like that it is not the signature gastronomy kitchen but the kitchen of Juanita's kitchen in the mountains, whether it is the kitchen at the bottom of the grandmother of any Latin American in South America and not necessarily from South America but popular cuisine or popular gestures and why not are not registered as artistic events
So, well, it's like I focused on looking more at things that are, like, they're not beautiful, they're not, they're not, they're not legitimate, as the expression of good value, the one that hasn't been fulfilled in your life, an arepa made in an oven with cut wood and fresh corn it's very nice I don't know if that doesn't look beautiful but and anything that gives you pleasure should be considered suitable m
Of course, but yes, that is, let's see, we give it a scale of personal value, but we do not give it a scale of value as a work, it is a reality, an appreciation as something artistic, but it remains as it should be seen, since it is very good, how beautiful, but not that never
or I would take it as to give it a focus or an importance as much as a work a great work of art in a museum or an institution or I don't even know conceptual art that comes from a series of relationships between people with particular interests that was economically achieved in a way
so well clearly I'm comfortable and always trying to
like to advance kind of like a snake like and beyond those structures
and trying to collect little things along the way, these that are not part of these things but I bring them forward as if claiming the value of things that are normally vulgar or everyday or ordinary
Honestly, the most colonizing thing that can be done with respect to the world of art is to kill it, that is, to annihilate it. This is one of these men. This is a pixel because I think that
just the concept of art
it's software in it's too boring it's like it's so white and when I say along with such a white mentality it's basically people who don't have a thing to do and then they invented some pods to have content of something that doesn't have content without the ability to appreciate things then it's how an abstract concept is created that they put things in there and webber and liquid apps things that move change the air that goes in this conceptual art and then this contemporary art as well
he mentioned how I work with relational art and this art is relational is a term created by a white and lemon curator and ccoo a contemporary art gallery type in paris and then of course it's like itching but at the same time it's like
I feel that we have to be constantly revising, questioning and transforming our language and at the same time how the ways we have to communicate it at this moment are somewhat bad, they are in certain ways like the tools we have, I think we could be a little more aggressive because transforming It is a very nice word that I obviously like but in this context of colonizer it is a bit like democracy and you try to return
tried tried tried tried
evolve something
that evolution is to evolve something something must evolve from from from a point to that does not even have to have existed then it is how to use to use gentile verbs it seems to me that it is like too much it is too naive I would use more users very useful well yes Well, now you know how long this process of colonization is going to take and it seems to me that instead of transforming something like art, which was what relational art used, it would be a little more like wanting to ar because if you arrive and stop listening and you stop walking and when I say you I mean the artistic world people will not beat urine people when confronted with a 1 enter a territory of colonization courtesy and these processes cannot have as an anchor the concepts that are designed the concepts that are already there there must be new concepts and they must
we have to empower ourselves with this, more than looking at this master's degree, it's training, look, I have to transform kids or time has been detected, seen a red card, but this is obviously and it's very nice because I also like to transform things, but I don't have time, I don't I say languages are forming the art the business of transformation discussions is over we have to do a we have to do a round table an international debate this is an international debate how is it really to colonize
yes but we are going to return to the congress so that we return to the congress but we are the congress that is closely related to this because it is an important part of the concept of this congress was to create a space to be outside the institutions and to create from intuition
together collectively through our artistic practices in a space of institutions like this
pandora's box was opened so tell us a little about your contribution to the congress well my contribution to the congress this came from the last artistic work I did which was a video art it is a video performance called border this I received an invitation to grope to an institutional invitation to share about my opinion, my appreciations, etc. about racism in argentina as interesting and it was like it was something very interesting to grasp because precisely coming from the context from which it came, it was an invitation from the cultural center of spain in buenos aires imagine it will be like it's too necessary like saying something right there or like the invitation is like they give you straw and other invitations like suddenly if you grab him I don't know you give him some laps they can be something very interesting then well like that Actually, more than doing a job to show a work, I got into a process of reviewing myself at a historical level reviewing my ancestors try to find this where I came from who am I at this moment and not only those things but talk with a lot of people around me this to work
those ideas or share or put into dialogue the ideas about the identities that we are being at this moment and what kind of experiences have they had regarding racism in Argentina finally like after all those conversations that I had with about 13 people
of the things they said, I mean, I realized a lot of things in me then, well, the final work in quotes that I presented was like a video of my body with the voices of all these people talking, it is being said, I know
in different situations with respect to different things, but everything as an addition to racism and their identities, so well, coming from his experience coming out, the congress was also like a window to explore and also to expand and get out of. the box to come out of the little box of all the little boxes of the little box of the identities of the binary of the hegemonic cultural artistic systems to get out of the little box of fi of the institutions to get out of the little box of the types of legitimate artistic expressions etc. go out to all the boxes this I wanted to do a small workshop in which this one, despite the virtuality, we would put in dialogue be considered as a connected link in a moment
and those things that are also doing the ways in which we identify ourselves as we say them in words also one of the things that I reaffirmed during the workshop was that while we are writing to a word of how we feel new as we think it is a certain entity it is totally possible that we are no longer being that entity as we are taking it out of the body in which he puts a word and all of a sudden it shows dance
then also enable that as something more playful, be it as a game in which we were like leaving the clothes there, we took things from cardona on top and that the others were also doing it is that everything is as easy as a conceptual map and at the end of doing a little exercise of trying to see how some things gave people put they are with the others like some things that some people said some people wrote I identify myself at that time well we began two lines of connection and trace the different proposals to the different contributions of the people who were there
and the intention was to make it comfortable despite the personal distance and each 29 different lives of multiple identities that we are in different contexts and in all areas to be able to make a good gesture they made us feel with before and also as closer closer and close to what other people are being of what we are also without that limiting us knowing that it is under rehearsal of something that is a work that was also not taking advantage of trying to see the potential of what that exchange is going to fall towards a future
to this eternal not thinking like that same action there now as a past so it's like I'm there I'm putting a block but at the same time I'm breaking it like grandfather I put it in it served me I see it as no and I removed it and it's something else now it was more like it transforms into something new while it's happening so well i kind of wanted to do that experience
We did not exchange between a small group but it was possible to do like these things that I had been thinking about this kind of map and fluid and that I connected like the contributions of all the people who were there but more important than like the words that were put there or the same graphic thing about making the map etc. for me was the fact of being all there at the same moment exchanging dialoguing, that is, connecting and starting from that exchange as the potential that this experience was going to have and at that moment it is like when you are going to cross and go down a pit because it is more valuable to go see a work of art in a space type one of the six and here x event because it is more valuable than going to buy a tomato
at a vegetable fair and record with tape, for example, like a banana with a tape or a banana with tape, that is, what I want to say is that what I am working on right now and what I wanted to bring to the table of the congress shell
It was that action
and simply the movement of being there and the fact that other people were also there is like being all at the same moment and that these exchanges can generate an interesting unesco for each one of the people who were there, so the experience is not only like what happened at that moment or what I had been thinking or what this person had been thinking and suddenly, well, it was connected to how it continues to flow, not the things that are inside us while we go, like changing activities because I imagine it also happens to you a bit like in yoga it's like there's one since he's like in everything a day later there's an idea that he in yoga then there are other jacmel out of the sea but it's the same jacmel it's like those things that you come bringing as they are at different times and so and well it's like the end as the importance of things that may appear at that specific time said that they generate something important that leaves you n something important is like suddenly you went to buy a tomato and something happened to you that marks your life
so much or so much more important than in an event like that I don't know and it goes down that it's going to be a launch like that it's delicious and suddenly buying a tomato something happened to you it's not transcendental for you I know like that what I wanted was to enable a moment a place of exchange to see what things can happen to the people there anyway I think it is ours our next 1 there is a great crisis in the verb to be and to have we believe that to have and this to have I think that it can also be related to it
There is a lot of conflict with being, we do not know how to be without having it or doing it.
perhaps these verbs are polarity, that is, they are so opposite and that they can be the polarity and the great difference between
the white mentality and other mentalities because I have done there is no difference in fact we have two verbs for being to be and to be am and not only in Spanish it happens in other languages but
I also wanted to make reference to and I find it very interesting and necessary that racism is being talked about in Argentina, as a Venezuelan we try, we try, we tend to forget that racism does not only happen when you leave Latin America, Latin America and part of it contains an extremely classist and racist continent where the word discrimination is so ingrained
daily behaviors that we do not realize then, like not only what is outside, type of europe, usa, x another element, as if it is not losing weight in your neighborhood among the most important things for me about that exercise that I did as an artistic practice this It was looking inside myself, that is, looking inside and looking at ok, that is, there are a lot of situations, like me, conceiving myself as a privileged person in many aspects
It also starts from there as to make me aware of my privileges and make me responsible also in charge of what I am doing and how this put in a dialogue what I am doing and what I have access to, that is, it is the same thing that it has other people already have the same accesses to things or feel experiences in the same ways and I also like what the other people were naming is that it clarifies things about my own processes in my same political forms because there is also a question of being
we are simply we are of a more spiritual sense
he knows we are also politically and there he connects more that being with that being and doing
because what we are asked to be politically is to be politically is to make political decisions I feel that sometimes privileges are also demonized quite a lot and if there are privileges that we cannot classify the built classics and the privileges
not the acquired ones the acquired ones that it's like I can't stop being a Latina, that is, I can't do that about the cob and so I renounce my nationality that's not going to happen but if I had it I wouldn't do it either but I loved the presumption believable is a privilege and here and here it goes like here it goes also in this construction it has that's why I say built for me privileges are like cards right I have a card and I say this card how can I use it I take it it doesn't favor me or it favors me and obviously in many aspects yes
and in many situations if the law was discriminated against but if I use my privileges to jackson the privilege as a person of color to access places where other people cannot I use my privilege then how do I feel that I feel that
I don't like to demonize pellets because I think we can use it more in our favor, of course, but in my case it was like realizing and making myself aware of what I have as a privilege that drinking are things to which I can access in one way and I have is how it also enables me to be a possible
if it is awareness, that is, it is awareness and the use of the privilege, because if not, then evaluating how I am making use of its exact privileges, it is good how that dialogue was how it is still taking me because that is how it began to do that exercise and it is leading me to discover a lot of things in that sense, but well, beyond that, as I am specific, because the question of racism, discrimination, as well as thinking, well, about colonization, which is already in the verb, discovering, caring for poor truths, making of standard
we discover that they exist
you are not congress shell we discovered many we discovered we discovered
oh, horrible, like the verb that they are gone, they are no longer there, but well, it's how he took the floor to grab those verbs that I also like, like what he said, like that, like the language that we have enabled, it's a bit of language that we have enabled and since I cannot speak with words that I do not have, that also happened to me in this work process, that is how people began to name things and I began to realize that this word has to do with this experience already it also happened to me is that the language or limited naming that way the language is somehow limited from German around there a little more extensive as specific in something it depends that is in some things it is more extensive in others the feelings I would say that they lack quite good have produced quite limited
but well how to go beyond those limits also then it is how we begin to use the language that we already have and we organize it differently and that is where the conceptual comes in, that is how I give order to certain things that I already have as a new composition of what I already have to convey a new idea or a new identity sometimes I need to destroy what is there sometimes I can take it to recycle it recirculate it is like there it also lasts during that process I came across proposals like Gloria Santamaría who is a woman Afro-Peruvian who has a performance in which she is singing that they shout at her black and like that that word widely used to violate her, violate her, discriminate against her, denigrate her publicly, she uses her and vindicates them, so she appropriates that word that she supposes is for an attack on her and he uses it to force himself to express it as something that is a privilege as it is something that as something that is exact and the subject arrives to see if That's how I feel when I tell them that you're not me
because it seems to me a privilege it seems to me a privilege to be black it seems beautiful it is very beautiful it seems beautiful to me and it seemed to me like nothing it's like I want all the spaces to be made available for everyone the identities
because no identity is less than the other and I would like to be a little more utopian I would like that this identity does not exist is good for me and that I even think about all the things that I have thought that I have shared with some friends is that for me, for example, the type identity, that is, that all people should be intersex type in the future or simply not having a gender because polarity no longer exists, duality as we no longer move in dualities and really I feel that in recent years other identities have been verbalized much more but the systems in which we live are the same sandoval
it's good it's going to cost a lot but we already see that there are other identities there are other names there are other ways I don't want to reincarnate hope that if your next life reincarnates your dreams will come true I don't want to return here as a human I'm in revenge I want to sleep in this point to sleep but now that we are in the future what did you just tell us
their deepest fantasies of their next lives and we already know that I don't want to go back
I want to continue fucking nothing escapes I come back but it's not how I want it
but in this
in this time in this human time how is the future
we already know how you see it in other oyster axes
how I want the future or how not only how he wants it, but how he visualizes it from
from this point where you are of transformation and through having been in an experience or something that began with a very, very invitation from an institution and ended in something anti-institutional that seems wonderful to me to also be on these two sides
how I see the future the truth is that I still don't see it because it hasn't arrived
so I can't see it and surely what they think the future is going to be very different the future itself the question is what are my wishes or what are my projections as
obviously at this moment we are very crossed by everything digital and technological and I feel that the future will be a reaffirmation of the dominance of technology
I recently signed up for one to a course that was talking about script or art and crypto artists and there are artists right now who are obviously part of the elite circuits
good as powers and used as a system like super super like fancy very top and like that they are very good in short this people are making works of art that are artificial intelligences
and he is selling it if this acquires in this work and you can converse with an artificial intelligence that has like one, that is, it is adding language as communication grows, as it is acquiring new more language but it has some basic guidelines, that is, it has this intended to communicate from a manifest
always like he's going to throw conversation at you based on those ideas to those themes and I also have to say that he throws conversation at you depending on how the EIA is scheduled
and this is good we are already talking about this is the new art
if people are a car
I asked gochi expensive today, thank you, it seems like a mind, because you are going to get me into this artistic world of the size of the product, it is good, that is one of the things, another of the things are works that are bought and based on certain events, they are transformed into something else, I know why example the work is detonated it can be destroyed the work can be an image and it becomes another image depending on something specific that happened because it was programmed to change but how much synchronization are you with these practices
at this moment with none because well for me my future has to do with something more face-to-face
At this moment I visualize that future, which is the future in capital letters to which we are going to hang the art to which artistic practices are going, and I see my future in capital letters as something that has more to do with people, with being in presence or either I am constantly trying to be physical with people to make bodily contact, whether physical or present in the same place in the same territory at the same time, this is one of the things that I remember after the activity of the congress was like that I was reaffirmed that desire to want to be there physically
I mean, and I thought, well, that's all the activity, it was virtually great, we were there and we activated a lot of things. It was a day recently when we had a discussion about the things that had happened, how we were driving, that is, how that ccoo had everything in the congress for us, that is, of the people who participated one of the girls now I don't remember I think she saw 3 what beatriz said that what happened to her that she got lost she got lost how she tried to get in but she got lost today it was like the audio was out of phase and I don't know what and it couldn't connect to saiz like give me like the team digital tool enables you a lot of things as well as distances you a lot
it gets lost so it's like for me the resource of being in the same place I feel like it would have generated a lot of other things like the most essential cial until being there in body and in presence
so the truth is that i want to feed those things i want not to be the next congress i want to be in germany and that we throw ourselves on the floor together and we also imagine myself as another dimension of the activity and do how to trace the silhouettes of our bodies
I don't know and a lot of things like enabling a lot of physical gestures in body presence or exchanges and posing with smells with textures with feeling ourselves not only thinking about ourselves
because that kind of technology enables you to be there up to a certain point and allows you to feel things up to a certain point but well then it's like that my future I want it to be more tangible and more less technological and perhaps an hour is also a long way off because I honestly believe that there is going to be an electrical crisis and here the whole world ours our cryptocard and ours will be another of the things that will be in this course that is that it takes a lot of energy to generate a crypto currency a lot of energy is spent as a counter to giants it has recorders generating energy the selection the crypt currency e is like super high in pollution from the heat and from and from having to many pollutes the earth the emission of carbon dioxide and all the minerals that you need to extract to build a server that basically that good until Last time we were nothing, I don't know, a hundred people who are working on the computer in the office when I signed up, that is, I signed up for the congress it was said how what this limit at this moment and maybe you return to the need that I have at this moment of having to systematically attend an eight-hour day job because I feel that it is one of the things like these 100 people are working on a computer and generating, that is, putting their mental energy mainly because there is little physical energy there to generate some to feed that source of that [ __ ] of all that technological system in order to that future that It comes and at the same time, that is, if I put those people to run a marathon, that is, there is another flow of energy and there are other energies, so it is how we are stopping feeding that future, it is stopping feeding a lot of other energies
to feed only one is like in venezuela when it had its sight in my time it was because it only exported oil so it is how it devastated its territory to exploit a single form of energy and all the other energy went to the
by then what do I want to do I want to feed other forms of energy in my future it doesn't mean that I will never work with this type of script art or virtual art thing it doesn't mean that I won't see them I will never accept an invitation to do something like that but I will always try to do something different
and feed another energy
Thanks a lot
thank you for being here you don't know if we go to a retreat in patagonia it would be great not for the cold grandfather right what an invitation there is that earthquake for patagonia period
well missions we're going we're going to the jungle to the jungle excerpt
Under the dictatorship in Chile, the creation
of spaces of vulnerability and love with people helps me to keep moving. My tools of
activism are dance, nudism, agroecology, video and zines. How much we think about
water/reciprocity? I'm exploring our boundaries in a soft and cute way. The Shell
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